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there are people like tyson for years. we need to make sure that protection of the environment is part of government. so i like the fact that there is balance there. but let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a big success story. we don't need to have a regulates economy. we need to give the private sector enough breathing room and make sure that we don't brush this initiative. i'm optimistic for the first time in a long time. >> what did you say? free market unregulated economy? >> that is my fantasy. i can't believe it. that we are in agreement on protecting the environment. if the people don't want it, they won't do it. anyway, tyson, thank you. dan mitchell, thank you. now let's talk about california with crashing production and a 13% top state income tax rate. no kidding. no surprise. companies are fleeing the state. but where will they end up? we are about to show you. those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's ri
-on environment in a cyclical upturn. >> reporter: now, the other scenario: >> in an environment where we go off the fiscal cliff and we see continued problems on the debt side for the u.s., i think the gold price outperforms the white metals. >> reporter: gold's price will also depend on whether central banks continue to diversify their holdings into gold, and whether they implement more quantitative easing to boost growth. the outlook for platinum is a little more complicated. there have been major supply disruptions due to labor unrest in south africa, which produces nearly all of the world's platinum. it also depends on demand. >> europe is a key part of the platinum demand picture. if europe can recover, certainly that's going to bode well for platinum demand. if the price trades higher, it may affect some of the price- sensitive sectors like jewelry, like chinese jewelry demand. >> reporter: of course, many investors only buy metals for investment reasons. currently, there's over $150 billion invested in gold exchange-traded funds, an all- time high. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: th
and create an environment so he could win politically. he set up after this quotation a rare weekend session in the senate where he had two votes . no republican amendments were allowed, and he showed republicans were obstructionists and would not go along with what he thought was good for the country. this was a ploy designed to shift attention from the democrats' ability to go along with what republicans wanted to do to republican saying they did not want to do what democrats wanted to do. he was seeking to control the agenda. that is the real issue here. there are times when minorities of both parties will obstruct the majority because they need or want to. the real issue in the debate today is one of agenda control. -- we have a way to think about this. in political science, if you look at the way house majority participate, it tells us about the way the senate majority is trying to behave today. they try to structure the environment so they can win, and they do so, but controlling the agenda at preventing the minority from participating in the process. that is not a surprise to anyone.
on t.v. commercials painting themselves as the great greatest friend the environment had. i want to throw up when i see those things on the network news but they are run them all the time. >> absolutely. >> they are slick, you know. they are like those that wal-mart was running, look at these women and minorities that work at wal-mart, you know, and bp, they have these people down there talking about what a great company they are and how much they have done to clean up the environment. so they are waging a huge pr campaign to try to get their reputation back. >> absolutely. i mean it would have been great if, as part of the criminal settlement that the department of justice got that they forced -- that they would have forced bp to disclose what their advertising and marketing budget has been. bp has been giving lots of cash to the tourism bureaus of gulf states. >> yeah. buying them off. >> i am all for the gulf states trying to get folks back to that great part of the country, but we need to be honest here, that this was a corporation that has a lo
in a slow growth environment, but they've kept interest rates very low in japan, but the problem is, government is too big. that's why japan has not been able to start growing again. and this is the path that the u.s. is certainly on if we don't change that dynamic. >> paul: kim, is there any recognition about this in washington or is it all -- i mean, do you hear any of this discussion or do they really believe, certainly, the white house and the treasury, that tax rates like this don't matter, at that ultimately-- >> no, they do to a degree. if you talk to the officials iran up, come on, so we're going to raise the rates, what is fascinating to put it in the bigger context of the debate about tax revenue, the economists have the static view, you've got x-amounts of capital gains income and you get 20% more tax revenue. >> you don't, because people decide to shelter it. they do their transactions the year before, when the amount is less. and so, all of these numbers that the white house is counting on and sort of rubbing its hands together hoping to get. they're not going to get an
by the american people and your businesses and the economic environment worldwide. we should not accept going through that. you know, john engler, he and i philosophically do not agree on much -- [ laughter ] >> you know, i am just being honest about john. he ii a great politician. he comes from the other party. he is exactly right when he says the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for is destroying your credit rating. i want to send a very clear message to people here. we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggest that they will type negotiations to that feeling both and take us to the brink of default onne again, as part of a budget to go she asian, which, by the way, we have never done in our history, until we did it last year, i will not play that game. with that, let me just say, we have one path where we resolve this fairly quickly. we have some tough spending cuts. we have modest revenue increases. you get business certainty. you do what you do best. and, we then have an open running world next year to deal with a whole host of other issues like in
to statehood. it does nothing to get them closer to state hood. it may actually make the environment more difficult. >> israel is concerned that palestinians will be eligible to join the international criminal court. press charges of human rights violations. in the words of an israeli official, the daniel could be worse than rockets from gaza. the u.s. reportedly asked israel not to impose harsh sanctions against the palestinian authority. >> they can get pieces of paper from the-up. but they are not going move forward and not going to make the palestinian statehood more real. >> of now, more than two-third member countries recognize palestine. the vote in favor of, the nonmember statehood is expected to be overwhelming. supports include france, china and india. bret? >> bret: david lee miller, in jerusalem. thank you. >>> still ahead -- hillary clinton is on her way out. we look at her time at state. first, are clinton's former senate colleagues willing to use the nuclear option? if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated eq
, that's a target-rich environment is what we refer to california. they raise taxes again. they sent the message that the unions are going to continue to control the process out there. they defeated proposition 32. they passed proposition 30 which was the increase in their taxes. so, california businessmen and women are looking at their bottom line saying, where are we going to go? other places? >> governor, is it too much of a leap to say when we do this at the federal level they leave the country, bilss can eventually leave the country. >> sure. >> but we can't seem to make the leap to say that. and i'm talking about the fiscal cliff now. i wonder if you were at 25% of gdp, if the government had grown to this size where it is right now and you were trying to figure out how to deal with it and you were in charge, would it be all about -- would the first thing you come up with be raising taxes? would not -- wouldn't you address the spending -- wouldn't you address the spending side of -- >> right. >> -- and, you know, the republicans are trying to criticize the obama proposals by say
in this new environment that we find ourselves in post-election and particularly with respect to the susan rice piece which is -- ha, gender, all these little sexy pieces to it, how do republicans that you're hearing see that? >> it's interesting. i was talking amazingly to more democrats yesterday. they said we just want to have a fight on the floor. we just don't want to have this thing where you can stick something and say i've got a hold on it and nothing happens. we want the american people to have to actually watch. if they don't want susan rice, let them stand on the floor and actually have to talk about it so that the world will see it. and then the people can judge. but it's not like that now. you just stick something in a closet. >> so what's the possibility of their actually being filibuster reform? this comes up after every election cycle. what's so special about now that makes it possible that the republicans and democrats will come together and do this? >> i think there's so much pressure on harry reid to do something. he can do it by himself with his own party's votes. if he
, the ryan airs, who continue to take market share and operate in a more difficult economic environment much more so than the flag carriers. however starting to look at the flag carriers again, in particular lufthansa. the iberian side of it will drag earnings down for quite a long time. air france still has significant employment issues. and if you're looking for a relatively undervalued, company which is taking itself and do significant cost cutting which i think it will bring through, you have conglomerate discounted lufthansa. it makes it a more interesting stock. >> at a time when europe doesn't have a lot of demand strength, if we're talking about reducing capacity, that means higher ticket prices and perhaps germany being one place where businesses can afford to pay up. >> i think that it's an element of probably relatively small part of overall. these are global businesses. they need to have global growth. but that is an interesting point for next year. >>'s most important for global demand then? >> with airlines it's about oil prices, in terms of capacity and reduced capacity. and i
in this environment inevitable? >> let me just say our prayers are with president bush and i hope he has a speedy recovery. we have had cut after cut after cut in education in the last four years. in this recessionary environment most of the dollars in education are local and state dollars and we have seen 300,000 teacher layoffs, we have seen class sizes spiraling up and this is for the kids who need it most. what the federal dollars in education go for i really targeted programs like early childhood education, when we know that is important, 100,000 kids who get it now wouldn't get it. title i funds go for helping kids to learn how to read in urban areas, something that is absolutely essential. right now because of all the cuts we have had if you had mid year cuts in education like this, we see a lot of kids being hurt. connell: everybody says we need a strong military to be the united states of america but times have changed, there's more technology, the types of wars we have i have changed but me we could have a strong military few spend money in a smart way. in a similar case a lot of credit
on the table could you imagine that breaking through the current political environment. >> i think basically now, gwen, there are three sticking points. one is the amount of revenue and the sources of revenue. the second is the amount of spending cuts and how much of that will come from the entitlement programs particularly health. the last sticking point is what do we do about this debt limit that we've come up against all the time that puts our credit in danger. >> ifill: the president has said the debt limit should be, at least in his opening statement, that the debt limit debate should be set aside and that nothing can be done unless the taxes are cut... are raised for the wealthy. is that part of a solution that you can see working for what it is everybody is trying to get to here? >> look, gwen, i'm not a bit worried that it appears on the surface that secretary geithner ton the speaker didn't make any progress last week. that's just a theater you go through. geithner made his first offer. the republicans rejected it. no surprise. i'm sure that this offer that the speaker has made toda
and the ability to work with others in a competitive environment is a huge life skill. competitive sports and the extraordinary game of american football. >> what do you want for christmas? >> at least an 8-8 record by the dolphins. i know i should aim higher. >> mrs. rubio, happy birthday. we appreciate you being here. thank you for being here and thankful to the bank of america. and thank you for coming out early. senator rubio for a fantastic conversation. [applause] captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> president obama addressed a group of corporate executives today in washington. he talked about negotiations with congressional republicans on deficit reduction and the so-called fiscal cliff. >> the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position -- i think the day after the campaign -- that said we're willing to bring in revenue, but we aren't willing to increase rates. and i just explained to you why we don't think that works. we're not trying to -- we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or
for taxpayers and taxes paid. so that we can create an environment for businesses to create jobs. gerri: long-term talks about this. a long way to go. i wish would come he would come back and maybe we will have a conversation. i really appreciate your coming on the show, thank you so much and i think you for having me. gerri: now we want to know what you think. banda gerriwillis.com, vote on the right-hand side of the screen. we have lots more in the show. twenty-six days until we fall off the fiscal cliff. is that what democrats want us to do? pictures seem so. we go live to capitol hill in 10 minutes. while congress talked about wanting to cut excess spending, the numbers may tell a different story. i will break it down coming up next. ally bank. why they have a raise your rate cd tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in econocs, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise ur rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. gerri: where would we be
to start making decisions now projecting the environment they will be in on january 1. let's give those businesses the service, what they deserve and their employees bypassing this middle class income tax cut now. >> i'd just like to add that the chairman and assistant leader part pants in any number of these budget discussions, that, that or the other one. there were several of them. when they went to that table as representatives of the house democrats, they had no instruction except to reach agreement. they shared the values of our caucus but the over riding value was we had to get the job done for the american people. the only thing i said i wanted to see was jobs and economic growth would be at the centerpiece of the discussions and then whatever decisions we would make about investments or cutting them revenue or raising them would center around how we create jobs. that is the way we are going to reduce the deficit by creating jobs. and every step of the way, every time we came to the idea of big, bold, balanced, the revenue question was the hurdle and it still s. you just can't g
feel good, or do you gain ground in a competitive environment against china? >> we absolutely gain ground. i want to see, we have real strengths in america. with strengths in the things all the other countries die for. hire education, entrepreneurial climate, a lot of science and technology, enormous dynamism in this country and a lot of strengths. but what we've done is we allowed a bunch of unnecessary costs of doing business to grow up and creep up. by in action basically. at the same time as all these other countries, and, of course, i work around the world on this topic, all the other countries have whole task forces of national leaders that work every day to drive down the cost of doing business and make the infrastructure better and make better airports and make better data communications, and make it simpler to do business. so what's happened is we've taken for granted, we have these great strengths can look at us, we're wonderful. we've not been able to make progress. we're not talking about hard stuff. talking about keeping our infrastructure modern. we are talking about
welcoming environment for women in the military. gay men are benefiting more from it than lesbians who want to be in direct round combat. >> we are going to stay right here and add a couple more voices into the conversation. this struggle for women in the military goes all the way back to the continental army. just who was robert shirless. i'll tell you when we come back. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're getting ready for the holidays, we're getting ready for you. tis the season. for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. >>> one of the first american women known to serve as a soldier did so as a man. debra sampson of mas
to relieve your tough migraines. it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management >> shannon: at first glance it may appear that the housing market is turning around. new numbers show home prices increase in major cities. but here is the catch. not all the buyers are from the u.s. chinese and more are buying more and more homes on the west and east coast. fox news correspondent william la jeunesse on the chinese factor in the u.s. housing market. >> well good news for sellers and a green light for buyers according to new data out tuesday morning. the housing market appears to have bottomed. prices are up in the majority of america's largest cities. by more than 3%. including places like atlanta. and las vegas, which have been down for years. in many areas, foreigners are fueling the fire. the national association of realtors says non-american buyers
to look over the long haul, over the long-term, whether you have an environment that's right for business. i think in arizona we are trying to get things right so over the long haul we can build a more diverse sustainable economy. i think we are headed in the right direction. stuart: i'm not being flip here, what kind of tax break dos you offer them -- tax breaks do you offer them, just give me an idea. >> if you bring manufacturing to our state, you are going to get a tax credit. if you bring research and development, you will get a tax credit. if you engage in sustainability, green jobs, you will get a tax credit. look, we saw the landscape around the country, and we wanted to make sure we were as competitive as possible. and a lot of it is not going to be companies moving from california, but as this economy improves, a lot of companies are going to be expanding. and we want them to look to our city, our state as they make those important expansion decisions, particularly again for those jobs. stuart: do you actually go to california yourself and try to prize them loose? >> i have been
of economic environment. the president is aware of what needs to happen going forward. and the gesture towards bipartisanship again is what is most important in this particular meeting. i don't think too much substantive will come out in terms of mr. romney having some kind of a position or being able to see his ideas about how to move forward in the economy into an obama administration's plan for the future of america. >> well, douglas brinkley, james peterson, thank you for your time tonight. i think it's a healthy thing. i'm very firm and clear on my positions but i also think it's very important until a divided country that we show none of it is personal and that the american people are far more important than any of our partisan views. that's why it was good the president met even today with ceos who had opposed him, marriott, state farm, caterpillar, at&t. let's have a tone of not having the koucountry at each other's throats but let's be firm. we'll be right back after this. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through
family" environment. >> they're bringing analog to digital campaigns. voter turnout has changed dramatically as the under class, minorities are starting to vote at this point. and it's changed the whole electorate -- >> look at your state, tom. northern virginia, who has a lot of single women. they come to work in washington. some get married, some don't. they stay there. they work all their lives in washington but necessity live across the river. they vote democrat generally, right? >> yeah, particularly those who are in toward the city. >> what's that about? how are you going to get them back? >> single women across the country have been voting more and more democratic. married women tend to vote more republicans. i think you get them back with policy, optics are important. republicans understand that. it's a long -- there's no silver bullet for it. >> you should have run condoleezza rice years ago. senator for california could have been condi rice. >> i want to give you free advice. i don't think you should refer to the underclass. that's a dated word. that's not who we're ta
as well a fair free trader and illegal subsubsudden is currency manipulation, environment practices that don't mirror the rest of the developed world are causing our manufacturing companies our manufacturing workers to just suffer a burden that they shouldn't have to. >> jennifer: leo, are you encouraged, though, by the actions at least that the obama administration has been taking of late at the world trait trades trade organization to his try to prosecute those and level the playing field? >> i am. i am also happy about the president's enthusiasm for the mandate that he just got. i think the electorate spoke very clearly, spoke very clearly at the presidential level, they did know less so at the sen sat level and house level. and they said with great specificities, get this economy back on track in a balanced fashion where we have women and men in manufacturing at roughly two and a half as much as three times the level we have today. >> jennifer: you wrote a piece though, in the huffington post, recently criticizing th
want to work better for you. you'll get a happier environment, and you'll probably do better over all any way. >> cenk: now we're out of time. it's funny because when we gave you the story about the fast food guys going on strike in new york one of their main grievance or a side grievance was, i'm so tired of doing that fake smile. they don't pay me wages. i barely make any money. then they come and check on that smile. are you smiling enough? it's a bad situation. but it can get better if we do the right thing. now when we come back we'll talk about how our system continues to do the wrong things. why? because when politicians retire they get a boat load of money. it's a great story. >> what do you plan to do after you retire? >> have a better job than you guys have. that's for sure. >> cenk: so what incentives to politicians have to play ball with their donors with all this corporate donations they're getting, obviously the money to run their campaign. but more important the money after they leave obvious. this amazing study in 2010 of the politicians that left. you know what kind o
a happier environment, and you'll probably do better over all any way. >> cenk: now we're out of time. it's funny because when we gave you the story about the fast food guys going on strike in new york one of their main grievance or a side grievance was, i'm so tired of doing that fake smile. they don't pay me wages. i barely make any money. then they come and check on that smile. are you smiling enough? it's a bad situation. but it can get better if we do the right thing. now when we come back we'll talk about how our system continues to do the wrong things. why? because when politicians retire they get a boat load of money. it's a great story. >> what do you plan to do after you retire? >> have a better job than you (vo) as marijuana gains social and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you do, a violation of federal law. (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing
gasoline for at least half that time. state environment records show. nitrogen oxide emissions have returned to normal at the refinery, a full week before it was reported to have come back online. really? similarly, chevron's richmond refinery was reported down for maintenance for two weeks in may, right, that's what we were told, but emissions data suggests the refinery never ceased operation. shell's refinery in martinez and chevron's in richmond were supposedly offline not making anything so gas prices had to go up. one report concludes actually they were up and running. what? they just didn't want to say so? everybody knows how supply and demand works. in this case if supply and demand do not explain what was going on here, that's a scandal. that had a huge economic impact. were the refinery companies lying about this just to boost prices up and pocket the difference? does this happen all over the country? what's going on here? and what tools do we have to figure it out if we are being suckered? we do have ta tool. it lives in the department of justice. six western senators are
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economic growth. regulation is necessary to protest at -- to protect our environment and keep our food safe. but regulations cost money to follow. the more expensive a regulation, the less money a business has to give raises or hire new people. we need to have a balanced approach to regulation. we need to weigh the benefit of any given regulation against the impact it will have on job creation. that is why we should implement something like senator paul's act, so that congress that's the final say on it. -- gets the final say on it. [applause] getting control of our debt. it is critically important. it is not enough. we need to do more. we should expand our domestic energy industry. american innovation has given us access to massive new deposits of oil and natural gas, making america one of the most energy- rich countries on the planet. this new energy opens all kinds of new middle-class jobs come from the fields and platforms woodrow, to the manufacturing plants that return to the united states with a lower cost of energy, and these are the types of jobs we need most, right now. middle-cla
on the variable you're looking at. throughout the arctic environment system. >> reporter: 97% of the ice sheet covering greenland, another record, that area losing ice five times faster now than it was in the early '90s. >> we know that melting of ice in greenland can contribute to sea level rising around the world. >> reporter: in the last two decades those levels have grown by 20%. a trend scientists say long-term could be devastating. >> most of the people around the world live in coastal areas. that's where ports are. and they are at sea level. even small changes in sea level rise can displace millions of people. >> reporter: a group that includes more than half of the u.s. population, which lives within 50 miles of the coast. jay gray, nbc news. >>> what do you think? >> for sure, the more we really need to talk about this as a global problem. but for sure, with any weather event we're in, it just does put an exclamation mark behind it. we need to do what we can do to get ahead of it. >> the pictures are certainly telling. >> right. very telling and it's only when we get those big storms,
is the honorable sherman, under secretary for natural resources and environment at the u.s. department of agriculture. he has a holiday message to share with you as well. [applause] >> speaker boehner, senators udall and bennett, congressman tipton and distinguished guests, on behalf of the secretary, tom vilsack and our chief of the forest service, i would like to say a few words if i can. each year, the capitol christmas tree comes from the u.s. forest service, which is an agency within usda and eachier we -- each year we select that tree from a different forest. this tree is from a small town called meeker, colorado in the white river national forest in the high mountain areas of colorado. and it's a a spruce tree and 73 feet tall and happens to be 74 years old. it's only the third time in colorado's history that colorado has provided the capitol christmas tree and i'm particularly proud of that since i'm a colorado resident. yay, colorado! [cheers and applause] >> we call this the people's tree for good reason and that's because it comes from our public lands, which are owned by al
to be able to be done, especially in this environment, to be honest. >> suarez: representative, you just heard the senator lay out why time is of the essence. is time also of the essence in a political sense? do you have to do this in calendar 13 before the congress gets caught up in the midterms for 2014? >> look, tomorrow, the next session, the next month, the next term, those aren't words. it's now. the latino community spoke clearly and eloquently and forcefully and in a unified fashion across this nation. and i say to my colleagues in the republican party it is time that we listen to the electorate. and they spoke very clearly. look, a couple of things just very quickly: everyday we deport a thousand people. that's 30,000 a month. let me just make it clear: tens of thousands of people are going to be deported this year who have american citizen children. they can't wait for piecemeal. we have a stem industry that needs workers today. think about all this talk about uncertainty and uncertainty and how that has an impact, a negative impact on our economy. let's take the uncertainty aw
tough environment for democrats. he was able to win. they stitched together a similar coalition of young voters, of women and is a problem for republicans as you move west. if this is not a place where they can compete, that's a real problem. >> and let me get mike in here. colorado is -- denver is really sort of -- i know stewart stevens and others have said they won swing voters, butt swi but the swing part of the country is the suburb and the president won the sub about yours. >> a demographic that is indicative of the democratic coalition.yours. >> a demographic that is indicative of the democratic coalition. no coincidence that the president is going to a suburban area tomorrow to campaign outside philadelphia. those collared counties. >> suburbs are everything. >> i worked with them. i have great admiration for his creative genius. i didn't -- i didn't think we were watching the same election in many respects. and like i said, losing is hard. >> you put it well. losing is hard. let's take a quick break. trivia time. we asked if jeb bush were to be nominated for president or vice p
a lasting solution is to commence direct negotiations and we need an environment conducive to that. >> the palestinians say they were getting -- by britain and other countries for concessions on what they were requesting to be more specific, they wouldn't go to the icc, the criminal court, in order to get these european votes. it's important for the palestinians not to just get the, quote, usual band of countries that support them no matter what here. they would like to get a sizeable number, including western countries. france will vote in favor, spain and portugal. but the u.k. will abstain, germany will abstain. all they need is a simple majority here. but the way forward, maybe it inches everyone closer to that two-state negotiating process. or it's just symbolic. netanyahu of israel says this will not accomplish anything, about not hasten any type of peace agreement. they still haven't talked in months. >> and i'm sure it's not the least bit pleasing to the palestinians to hear secretary of state say we don't support it because we don't think it would work. and clearly a lot
blamed no matter what they do. that's political environment. they might as well embrace the fiscal cliff. >> you heard peter difazio saying earlier in the program, democrat, go off the cliff, there is no cliff. no problem. >> folks on both sides. look, there's not a clip there and they're going to play chicken and go off. >> and then you're road kill at the bottom. >> that's exactly right. most folks are saying since the economy's improving, congress, don't screw it up and you get some folks on the far left and far right, there's no cliff, don't worry about this. we're after the election, this isn't an id lodgical debating society. this is about getting something done. let's work on a short-term deal. >> the deal that's there, we're in this situation because congress came up with what they're calling the fiscal cliff now and they're calling it the fiscal cliff because they don't want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think it's foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. >> you know what's interesting, to eric's point, there is a great irony
of not -- of not only not facing re-election, having to deal with this in the re-election campaign environment, but having just come off a serious electoral college win. >> yeah. and i think -- i mean, it's kind of remarkable the change in tone. and it's not -- it's not the kind of abject capitulation that one might expect. or one might think might be warranted by what the voter said at the polls. but it is a modulation in tone that has been completely absent during the entirety of the first four years. there was almost nothing like this, even from day one when the president was sworn in, the first time around. we are seeing at least a little bit of an acknowledgment that they are on the wrong side of the majority of the american public on these key issues. >> joy, the -- my sense of what's going on here is that you're really seeing shadow boxing. that boehner knows, there is nothing i can do. we're going to have to go off the curb for my members to understand where we really are. we're going to have to have one week of the united states of america operating under higher tax brackets, higher w
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